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		<title>By: Top 10 Christian Web Trends Posts of 2010 (and 6 Lessons Learned &#8230; &#124; Church Outreach Ministry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top 10 Christian Web Trends Posts of 2010 (and 6 Lessons Learned &#8230; &#124; Church Outreach Ministry</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Top 10 Christian Web Trends Posts of 2010 (and 6 Lessons Learned) &#124; Christian Web Trends Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-294639</link>
		<dc:creator>Top 10 Christian Web Trends Posts of 2010 (and 6 Lessons Learned) &#124; Christian Web Trends Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Ayres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Ayres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely love this debate between you two and the idea of a virtual church. I have sat in on some online sermons and discussions and found it quite interesting. Have I made it a habit to visit often? No. But I do find its&#039; merit and validity.  
 
So many people have a hard time connecting with people in the real world these days why not engage them spiritually online? Is that giving into the fact that we are a virtual world much like in the movie &quot;Wall-E&quot;? perhaps.. but it&#039;s worth engaging people and helping them in their relationships with Christ or helping them begin one.. 
 
I&#039;ve been challenged by my pastor of our new church to head up social media and the idea of a virtual church sounds very intriguing and right up our alley.. good thoughts here guys.. 
 
scott </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely love this debate between you two and the idea of a virtual church. I have sat in on some online sermons and discussions and found it quite interesting. Have I made it a habit to visit often? No. But I do find its&#39; merit and validity.  </p>
<p>So many people have a hard time connecting with people in the real world these days why not engage them spiritually online? Is that giving into the fact that we are a virtual world much like in the movie &quot;Wall-E&quot;? perhaps.. but it&#39;s worth engaging people and helping them in their relationships with Christ or helping them begin one.. </p>
<p>I&#39;ve been challenged by my pastor of our new church to head up social media and the idea of a virtual church sounds very intriguing and right up our alley.. good thoughts here guys.. </p>
<p>scott</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSteinbrueck</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-198205</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulSteinbrueck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;ve found it helpful. I saw your tweet about getting started with social media. I&#039;ll blog about it and look forward to hearing what you decide to do and how it goes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#039;ve found it helpful. I saw your tweet about getting started with social media. I&#039;ll blog about it and look forward to hearing what you decide to do and how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSteinbrueck</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-194189</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulSteinbrueck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, I agree that there are offline churches within which a person can&#039;t experience &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot;  And in those cases a person may be better off exclusively within an online church.  (Though trying to create a healthy, biblical church may still be a better option). 
 
I don&#039;t think I could accept the converse argument. After all, the church managed for 2,000 years before the Internet. I think it&#039;d be hard to make the case that the early church, especially as recorded in Acts 2, lacked &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot; 
 
But I agree that a offline-online hybrid solution is best in the spread-out, busy culture we live in that makes it extremely difficult for people to gather together physically on a daily basis. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I agree that there are offline churches within which a person can&#039;t experience &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot;  And in those cases a person may be better off exclusively within an online church.  (Though trying to create a healthy, biblical church may still be a better option). </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think I could accept the converse argument. After all, the church managed for 2,000 years before the Internet. I think it&#039;d be hard to make the case that the early church, especially as recorded in Acts 2, lacked &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot; </p>
<p>But I agree that a offline-online hybrid solution is best in the spread-out, busy culture we live in that makes it extremely difficult for people to gather together physically on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Locke</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-194084</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d accept that argument if you&#039;d accept the converse of it:  If someone became a Christian through an offline church, and that church tells them &quot;there&#039;s no need to connect with an online church&quot; they may never know the richness of being part of an online community of Christ. 
 
Otherwise, what you&#039;re inherently saying is that offline churches are in every way superior to online ones.  It&#039;s ok if you believe that, but obviously my own experiences with online churches tell me otherwise.   
 
Further, what you&#039;re saying also rests on the assumption that every offline church allows all of its members the opportunity to experience &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot; 
 
My experiences with offline churches tell me otherwise with this as well--and I would point out that in our culture, while increasing numbers of people do not consider themselves believers, the percentage of those who have had *no* experience with a church of any sort is actually relatively small (read Barna on that one).  Most people I&#039;ve talked to in online churches who do not participate in a physical church do so precisely *because* they could not find the same &quot;fullness of what is possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers&quot;--and yet they will argue that&#039;s exactly what they&#039;ve found online. 
 
Paul, I really think that at the end of the day, it&#039;s a matter of perspective.  You seem very much enamoured with your experiences at your offline church, and because of this, it seems to you that these things are indispensable.  But I hope it&#039;s ok with you that some people feel just as convicted in the opposite direction. 
 
As for myself, I&#039;m a hybrid.  I like my physical church, and it provides experiences and opportunities that my online church can&#039;t -- but I also like my online church, and it provides experiences and opportunities that my physical church can&#039;t.  To me, both are indispensable.  And I certainly can&#039;t imagine how people in physical churches can manage and grow in their relationship with God and one another *without* an online community. 
 
Maybe we should approach physical churches with the caveat that they are *only* legitimate if they are actively trying to connect their members to some sort of online community...  :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d accept that argument if you&#039;d accept the converse of it:  If someone became a Christian through an offline church, and that church tells them &quot;there&#039;s no need to connect with an online church&quot; they may never know the richness of being part of an online community of Christ. </p>
<p>Otherwise, what you&#039;re inherently saying is that offline churches are in every way superior to online ones.  It&#039;s ok if you believe that, but obviously my own experiences with online churches tell me otherwise.   </p>
<p>Further, what you&#039;re saying also rests on the assumption that every offline church allows all of its members the opportunity to experience &quot;the fullness of what&#039;s possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.&quot; </p>
<p>My experiences with offline churches tell me otherwise with this as well&#8211;and I would point out that in our culture, while increasing numbers of people do not consider themselves believers, the percentage of those who have had *no* experience with a church of any sort is actually relatively small (read Barna on that one).  Most people I&#039;ve talked to in online churches who do not participate in a physical church do so precisely *because* they could not find the same &quot;fullness of what is possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers&quot;&#8211;and yet they will argue that&#039;s exactly what they&#039;ve found online. </p>
<p>Paul, I really think that at the end of the day, it&#039;s a matter of perspective.  You seem very much enamoured with your experiences at your offline church, and because of this, it seems to you that these things are indispensable.  But I hope it&#039;s ok with you that some people feel just as convicted in the opposite direction. </p>
<p>As for myself, I&#039;m a hybrid.  I like my physical church, and it provides experiences and opportunities that my online church can&#039;t &#8212; but I also like my online church, and it provides experiences and opportunities that my physical church can&#039;t.  To me, both are indispensable.  And I certainly can&#039;t imagine how people in physical churches can manage and grow in their relationship with God and one another *without* an online community. </p>
<p>Maybe we should approach physical churches with the caveat that they are *only* legitimate if they are actively trying to connect their members to some sort of online community&#8230;  <img src='http://blog.ourchurch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PaulSteinbrueck</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulSteinbrueck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily.  If someone becomes a Christian through an online church and that church tells them there&#039;s no need to connect with an offline church, they may never know richness of being a part of a physical community of Christ. 
 
it&#039;s not that different from a church that might tell it&#039;s members it&#039;s not important for them to read the Bible on their own, or be a part of a small group, or serve the poor.  I believe their members would also miss out on the fullness of what is possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily.  If someone becomes a Christian through an online church and that church tells them there&#039;s no need to connect with an offline church, they may never know richness of being a part of a physical community of Christ. </p>
<p>it&#039;s not that different from a church that might tell it&#039;s members it&#039;s not important for them to read the Bible on their own, or be a part of a small group, or serve the poor.  I believe their members would also miss out on the fullness of what is possible in their relationship with God and fellow believers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mclean Bible Church</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-193981</link>
		<dc:creator>Mclean Bible Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mclean Bible Church &#124; AXI</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-193980</link>
		<dc:creator>Mclean Bible Church &#124; AXI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neal Locke</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourchurch.com/2010/01/08/christianitytoday-weights-in-on-online-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-193865</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,   I think the answer to your question &quot;given the choice, who would want to?&quot; is self-evident.  Obviously, all the people who are now choosing to attend online churches over offline ones want to, and I suspect they have just as much &quot;choice&quot; as anyone else.  Most of those I&#039;ve had conversations with would even flip the question around:  given all the advantages they see to online churches, and the atmosphere and community they experience there, given the choice, who would want to attend an offline church? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,   I think the answer to your question &quot;given the choice, who would want to?&quot; is self-evident.  Obviously, all the people who are now choosing to attend online churches over offline ones want to, and I suspect they have just as much &quot;choice&quot; as anyone else.  Most of those I&#039;ve had conversations with would even flip the question around:  given all the advantages they see to online churches, and the atmosphere and community they experience there, given the choice, who would want to attend an offline church?</p>
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