Comments on: More on Why Willow Creek and Saddleback and Losing Influence while North Point and LifeChurch.tv are Gaining Influence http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/ A look at how trends in communication technology impact individuals and organizations. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:59:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ray http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-208094 Ray Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:58:15 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-208094 Facebook, etc. are fantastic opportunities for church leaders to communicate with their followers and find new ones. Good stuff can travel so unbelievably fast. So can gossip and half-truths. Venom that used to take days or weeks to distribute, can be diseminated in minutes, and do vast damage before it can be stopped. Like any other tool social media can cut both ways. We have to be very aware and very careful. Facebook, etc. are fantastic opportunities for church leaders to communicate with their followers and find new ones. Good stuff can travel so unbelievably fast. So can gossip and half-truths. Venom that used to take days or weeks to distribute, can be diseminated in minutes, and do vast damage before it can be stopped. Like any other tool social media can cut both ways. We have to be very aware and very careful.

]]> By: Christian Web Trends Top 10 posts of 2009 « Christian Web Trends Blog by OurChurch.Com http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-192223 Christian Web Trends Top 10 posts of 2009 « Christian Web Trends Blog by OurChurch.Com Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:53:28 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-192223 [...] More on Why Willow Creek and Saddleback and Losing Influence while North Point and LifeChurch.tv are... [...] [...] More on Why Willow Creek and Saddleback and Losing Influence while North Point and LifeChurch.tv are… [...]

]]> By: Jeff Friesen http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-184258 Jeff Friesen Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:41:12 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-184258 It is interesting that the view of this shirt begins to offer judgement in the church and in its motivations. If you are truly going to judge a movement you should really study and learn more about what God is doing. This is all about encouraging one another to a greater relationship with Jesus. This is very typical discussion of why the church is so divided. We tend to see the big toe working and as a thumb we tell it it is doing it all wrong. Let's take the desire of Paul and ask that you do with all of your ability what God has called you to do. But let us also bear with one another in love and in gentleness. I am seeing lives changed through the efforts that have been made. Thank you Ryan for you committment to the Gospel and to the word of God. By the way, a new Bible study starts on Monday at MOJ. Check it out. It is interesting that the view of this shirt begins to offer judgement in the church and in its motivations. If you are truly going to judge a movement you should really study and learn more about what God is doing. This is all about encouraging one another to a greater relationship with Jesus. This is very typical discussion of why the church is so divided. We tend to see the big toe working and as a thumb we tell it it is doing it all wrong. Let’s take the desire of Paul and ask that you do with all of your ability what God has called you to do. But let us also bear with one another in love and in gentleness. I am seeing lives changed through the efforts that have been made. Thank you Ryan for you committment to the Gospel and to the word of God. By the way, a new Bible study starts on Monday at MOJ. Check it out.

]]> By: Jessie Douglas http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-183955 Jessie Douglas Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:11:52 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-183955 Dear Paul: No, don't think I'll be buying one of those t-shirts. I'm not big on commercializing Jesus or the Gospel. It gets to my point about bringing Him down off the throne rather than us trying to grow up toward Him. I subscribe more to a Reformed theology, so there will be some disagreements, I'm sure. Some may chalk it up to "disputable matters", but even in disputable matters, one way is more likely to do a better job pointing toward the cross than the other. I'm looking forward to interesting exchanges here. Blessings all... JD Dear Paul:

No, don’t think I’ll be buying one of those t-shirts. I’m not big on commercializing Jesus or the Gospel. It gets to my point about bringing Him down off the throne rather than us trying to grow up toward Him.

I subscribe more to a Reformed theology, so there will be some disagreements, I’m sure. Some may chalk it up to “disputable matters”, but even in disputable matters, one way is more likely to do a better job pointing toward the cross than the other.

I’m looking forward to interesting exchanges here.

Blessings all…

JD

]]> By: Ed http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-183702 Ed Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:56 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-183702 Wow Paul. This discussion has gotten a lot of additional mileage since my first post. What a great testimony when you look at churches like Willow Creek, North Point, Saddleback, LifeChurch and many others including 12Stone and Passion City. All of these are embracing cutting edge technology in presenting the Gospel worldwide. My prayer is that we all are compelled to learn from our experiences, including discussions like this, so that we can apply what we have learned towards winning the lost for Christ and not for the sake of debate :-) 1 Thes 5:17 Wow Paul. This discussion has gotten a lot of additional mileage since my first post. What a great testimony when you look at churches like Willow Creek, North Point, Saddleback, LifeChurch and many others including 12Stone and Passion City. All of these are embracing cutting edge technology in presenting the Gospel worldwide. My prayer is that we all are compelled to learn from our experiences, including discussions like this, so that we can apply what we have learned towards winning the lost for Christ and not for the sake of debate :-) 1 Thes 5:17

]]> By: Paul Steinbrueck http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-183679 Paul Steinbrueck Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:50:23 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-183679 Hi Jessie, thanks for stopping by Christian Web Trends. No two Christians agree on everything. I won't judge your entire worldview based on your one comment. Hope you won't judge mine either. But I guess you won't be buying one of these new t-shirts from Men of Jesus. ;) http://mondaymorninginsight.com/blog/post/men_of_jesus_offer_i_love_my_hot_wife_t-shirts_for_real/ Hi Jessie, thanks for stopping by Christian Web Trends. No two Christians agree on everything. I won’t judge your entire worldview based on your one comment. Hope you won’t judge mine either.

But I guess you won’t be buying one of these new t-shirts from Men of Jesus. ;)

http://mondaymorninginsight.com/blog/post/men_of_jesus_offer_i_love_my_hot_wife_t-shirts_for_real/

]]> By: Jessie Douglas http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-183600 Jessie Douglas Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:09:00 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-183600 I have to agree with Rev. Alexander about the wife comment, and even add that Paul's comment about sharing the "hot wife" comment with God "over coffe" is not only totally inappropriate; it points out a signficant flaw in many contemporary churches: that of bringing God--the Creator of the Universe--down to a level that he is our "spiritual buddy." We have, it seems, dethroned the Almighty and made him just another one of our social network contacts. And to even suggest that you (Paul) would consider asking God if he wanted to see a picture of your "hot wife" makes me question the strength of and commitment to a complete and total Christian worldview. I'm new to this site and blog, but sorry Paul...I don't get a positive Christian impression from your comment, with all due respect and Christian love... Jessie Douglas I have to agree with Rev. Alexander about the wife comment, and even add that Paul’s comment about sharing the “hot wife” comment with God “over coffe” is not only totally inappropriate; it points out a signficant flaw in many contemporary churches: that of bringing God–the Creator of the Universe–down to a level that he is our “spiritual buddy.” We have, it seems, dethroned the Almighty and made him just another one of our social network contacts. And to even suggest that you (Paul) would consider asking God if he wanted to see a picture of your “hot wife” makes me question the strength of and commitment to a complete and total Christian worldview.

I’m new to this site and blog, but sorry Paul…I don’t get a positive Christian impression from your comment, with all due respect and Christian love…

Jessie Douglas

]]> By: Mark E http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-181094 Mark E Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:30:16 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-181094 Good article. Two points 1. Mark Driscoll is in my view the biggest influence on younger Christians in todays church, worlwide. 2. Willow could learn something from these other churches when it comes to price structures on resources. Good article.
Two points
1. Mark Driscoll is in my view the biggest influence on younger Christians in todays church, worlwide.
2. Willow could learn something from these other churches when it comes to price structures on resources.

]]> By: » Why Willow Creek and Saddleback are Losing Influence While North Point and LifeChurch.tv are Gaining Influence http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-177866 » Why Willow Creek and Saddleback are Losing Influence While North Point and LifeChurch.tv are Gaining Influence Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:00:33 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-177866 [...] More on Why Willow Creek and Saddleback and Losing Influence while North Point and LifeChurch.tv are... [...] [...] More on Why Willow Creek and Saddleback and Losing Influence while North Point and LifeChurch.tv are… [...]

]]> By: Paul Steinbrueck http://blog.ourchurch.com/2009/08/05/more-willow-creek-saddleback-north-point-lifechurchtv-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-177865 Paul Steinbrueck Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:56:56 +0000 http://blog.ourchurch.com/?p=617#comment-177865 Ed, thanks for the comment. We ARE all on the same team. Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, etc have been great tools for sharing ideas and spurring each other on! Ed, thanks for the comment. We ARE all on the same team. Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, etc have been great tools for sharing ideas and spurring each other on!

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